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arrows in his chest

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well in the middle of my own

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where the buffalo

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say you are not alone

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in the middle of wyoming

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say you are not alone

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you are not alone

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cause you bring comfort to the unknown

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if you keep fighting

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you have your back

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and if you quit that

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cause your actions are kind of lightning

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oh because you do the right thing

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roaming

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and in the middle of my own

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where the buffalo

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cause you bring comfort to the unknown

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like a wolf flicks blood off his face

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it's attraction when no one's left

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and if it comes from

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dimensional dust

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what comes through

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i think we have dimensional lust

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the seventh level

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is a must

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is your childhood is near

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well don't be afraid

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of fiction yet

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like dust in a space race

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three years you were deaf

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[Laughter]

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um yeah so we're a little early here

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today

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um so i was playing just some music

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stuff

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it's always seeing how that stream says

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it stream well

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or not i think it streams pretty good

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um what i'm preparing everybody for

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is i'm gonna do like a live stream

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concert on a weekend night

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uh and hopefully i'll get some other

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songwriters maybe experiencers to

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partake

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um that would be great but right now

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without further ado we have

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someone very special joining us today

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and i always enjoy what he comes

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it is the man the myth and

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the legend graham

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rendell

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hello sean how are you doing your eyes

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yeah i'm great how are you

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i i need to live up to that build up now

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don't worry

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yeah what do you get i've got i've got

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another real task

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fully enough what i did do was actually

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transcribe um

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the jake tapper interview just before i

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came out i listened to it about 10

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so if you want to talk about that in a

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bit that's perfectly fine i've got

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i can pick out some quotes et cetera to

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be fair but i think

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there was a couple of things i know you

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were talking to chris wolford before so

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he doesn't get enough time no no that

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it was shade over five minutes and most

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was the host talking um you know so and

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right format

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the amount of time they get isn't it

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news format they're always just rolling

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today's broadcasting isn't it really so

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is uh bbc doing anything more since that

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of it

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then no um we have a national

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sort of radio station and there's a sort

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of three-hour long news program on a

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to him um and then in the week uh just i

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the top of the hour um and they did talk

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um will see on the ufo twitter hello

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graham's sitting here

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ready to help i wasn't thinking about

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plenty of people that the killer had on

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um but haven't said that short uh the

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talk radio which is an independent radio

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station and they do speech radio as well

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but you know that trickle will will may

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end it was a flood i don't know

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we're certainly not getting the level

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you are but what bring a little bit more

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we've got 100 more than we used to have

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kind of cusp where this could

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easily disappear

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and people would forget about it you

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that word it can go backwards or explode

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and i hope it explodes but what is that

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going to take

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you've got to wonder what kind of cut

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through it has with the audience as well

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who aren't as invested in

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it as we are so yes okay we're going to

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we're going to watch all these segments

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watch them afterwards when people

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put them up on twitter if we don't know

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they're there everybody's going to get

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around to watching them at some stage we

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discuss them at length ad nauseam

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but you just got to wonder the people

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outside our circle and the people who

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even just got a basic interest in the

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issue how much do the people who just

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have their ordinary lives how much do

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they actually take notice of it they

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water cooler and all the rest of it but

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does that knowledge get retained you

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another segment

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is it like a goldfish bowl do they

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do they have to be constantly you know

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word but

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uh the people say or that's written or

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talk to them a bit more but

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because as you say it's just there's

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just not enough information

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they haven't got long enough to be able

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to explain to people and retain that

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interest over a period of time

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it's not like this subjects on every

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every day every hour is it yeah so

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yeah and i think what needs to be done

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if people are going to latch onto that

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information that they get is it needs to

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be more dramatic

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but you don't want to just you know at

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some point it's like

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okay you're just going to give me two

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minutes fine and off to lou

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aliens are real no i'm just kidding but

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if you look at it this way sean what do

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they have to show

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videos that were taken um

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you've got a couple of new videos that

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come out now but they've

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really they haven't got that kind of

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have impact with us

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but they don't necessarily have the

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impact with the audience

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beyond us i mean just take the

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israeli-palestine kind of conflict i'm

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not going to go into the

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politics of it but if you see the images

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they're quite powerful

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if you see like images you know of

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rockets what the devastation has been in

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in israel that's quite powerful and that

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um the aircraft that was diverted into

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to take that journalist off um the the

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people in belarus wanted

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uh to to uh to talk to inverted commas

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um

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so you know that has a that has kind of

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resonance with people

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and if you talk to people about that

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chances are they'll retain that

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information because there's actually

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quite a lot of footage to go with it

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whereas where hamstrung i believe

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because

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um we have a limited amount of

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information to show people

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we can talk about it and we can explain

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things but i think that

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that kind of lack of you know for one of

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a better word you know sort of

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like drama you know that and you know

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and

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really positive imagery that it doesn't

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it's not there yet

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it might be out there but we don't have

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access to it we can't just show people

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things that make them just suddenly go

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wow and that then sticks in their head

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you know right so i might be talking

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about my backside here but i think now

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i think that's pretty that's new no i

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think i think that's

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really you know i hate to relate it to

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this but really in relation to

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coronavirus you kind of see how people

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only

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take things seriously when it affects

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their life oh yeah if you have to change

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a routine

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or something like that like corona fire

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is

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massively changed everyone's life

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and you know it

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that's kind of unfortunately

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you know with the short attention span

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and everything on television social

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media it all just seems fake until it's

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right up in your face

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bringing your doorbell that's true you

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see that yes

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it affects you or it affects somebody

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close to you that you know or somebody

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at work or somebody that you you you

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play football with or

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or american soccer or whatever uh

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football with or whatever

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um so yes until that happens

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until you can actually see it and smell

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it yourself then yeah

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it's just some kind of peripheral you

343
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know issue that doesn't really affect

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you

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i mean even i suppose like the kind of

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israeli-palestine thing

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in the belarusian thing they don't

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necessarily affect us but they're on the

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news all the time

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and i think that's the difference that

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we've had nothing else on our screens

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here as terms have stopped as top

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stories

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but those two items over the last sort

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of week um

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and also there's been a thing about them

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about a royal story as well which they

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always hit our headlines

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so um those things stay in the headlines

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and they don't go away

361
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the journalists are always finding new

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angles to put up because they want to

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you know perpetuate the stories as long

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as they can

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and get as much mileage out of them they

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can but you don't see that with this

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issue either

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um you just don't see any kind of

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journalistic rigor

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i think you really put the nail

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or you really i think nailed it like

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there's no

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um full package to go with it so if you

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run a big important story

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and you want to run it again you can't

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keep attaching

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things that are um

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[Music]

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like the videos and stuff that we have

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that really aren't that breathtaking

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i mean what i think those things are

382
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is breathtaking but yeah

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we almost inflate their kind of

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importance in terms of what they

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represent to just average people

386
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you know people in the street people who

387
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don't have our kind of level of

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understanding about the issue

389
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um so i think that's really hard to cut

390
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through but going back to the kind of

391
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you know journalistic rigor kind of

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thing

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if you have a story that develops in the

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media the

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journalists are usually sent out to try

396
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and cover angles on a story so it's not

397
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just whatever the facts that they first

398
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come up with

399
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because stories tend to break and break

400
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in different ways and then you always

401
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have

402
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,560
you know people who are finding out more

403
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things about stories so then they'll

404
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,160
develop it down different strands

405
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,920
but you don't see that with this either

406
00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,839
it's it's almost seems to be

407
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,600
they're coming to people for comment but

408
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,600
they're not doing things themselves

409
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:45,360
too much are they i mean i might be

410
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:47,040
completely wrong here but i don't really

411
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see

412
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,839
a lot of kind of like first-rate

413
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journalists are going out

414
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and actually finding this kind of

415
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information out for themselves

416
00:16:58,629 --> 00:16:56,800
yeah you know are they doing the

417
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investigation are they firing fires off

418
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:59,120
to

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you know here then everywhere are they

420
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:02,480
sort of digging into

421
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um you know back stories and talking to

422
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:06,160
witnesses and all the rest of it and

423
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:07,280
then coming up with stories that they're

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gonna put on

425
00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:09,839
60 minutes or on other news channels i

426
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:11,120
don't see that

427
00:17:14,949 --> 00:17:13,039
i see them talking about the same people

428
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:14,959
and that's great i mean i'm not i'm not

429
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,959
sort of criticizing that but you don't

430
00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:18,319
see that kind of thing that would do

431
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:18,959
with a

432
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inverted colors normal story true yeah

433
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:25,280
yeah very true well investigative

434
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journalism really as a whole

435
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:30,720
is kind of i feel like it's

436
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,280
really most stuff has turned into uh

437
00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:35,440
opinion pieces

438
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:38,320
it can be you know we if you go back if

439
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:39,440
you come back to the uk

440
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,120
and and this radio station i was talking

441
00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:42,799
about radio 4 who do um

442
00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:44,640
who this long news segment in the

443
00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:46,160
morning they have an hour-long segment

444
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and a

445
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six but also at different parts of the

446
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day

447
00:17:55,110 --> 00:17:52,880
uh especially the weekend they have

448
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:55,120
these hour-long investigative pieces

449
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,720
there's one called file on four which

450
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,559
has been quite long-running program

451
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:01,200
and they do proper in-depth um

452
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,360
investigations into a particular issue

453
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:05,120
sometimes it can be like child abuse or

454
00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:05,840
it can be

455
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,840
um the county lines drug running which

456
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:09,360
we have a problem here with like um

457
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:10,160
young people

458
00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:12,960
being like almost drug mules across um

459
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:14,240
sort of parts of the country

460
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,280
and there's a whole load of issues

461
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,039
they've dealt with i mean this paragraph

462
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:18,960
say it's been going for 20 30 years

463
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,360
but that's the kind of program that this

464
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,960
issue you know this kind of issue the

465
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:24,559
uap issue should be on

466
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,240
that's where they should be putting this

467
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,679
long format kind of

468
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:29,600
you know investigation i mean even an

469
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,720
hour would do that

470
00:18:34,310 --> 00:18:32,559
and looking back at the history of it or

471
00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,320
picking you know picking out the nimitz

472
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:35,760
case and going through all the different

473
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:37,360
kind of parts of it because it's quite

474
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,480
complex

475
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:40,400
they're the kind of maybe not just that

476
00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:41,919
case but other ones that's where they

477
00:18:43,909 --> 00:18:42,640
should be

478
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:43,919
sort of picking an issue and then going

479
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,440
right we're going to do this and we're

480
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,640
going to look at it properly and we're

481
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:48,080
going to present to the public

482
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,840
um and because to do it with other

483
00:18:52,789 --> 00:18:52,000
things and this this is objective story

484
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:52,799
as well and this

485
00:18:57,669 --> 00:18:56,000
is a multi-layered very complex very

486
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,679
political story as well i suppose if you

487
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,600
look at it that way um it's got defense

488
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,280
implications it's got a lot of other

489
00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:03,360
implications and it's a perfect kind of

490
00:19:07,190 --> 00:19:05,280
vehicle for that kind of format

491
00:19:08,390 --> 00:19:07,200
and yet nobody seems to want to touch it

492
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:08,400
maybe it's too much of

493
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:14,470
if we can do it how can they and they're

494
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,280
trained to do this kind of thing

495
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:19,679
the people i i sort of like know on ufo

496
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:20,320
twitter

497
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:24,080
um some really good journalists um but

498
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,640
they're

499
00:19:28,070 --> 00:19:26,480
but they don't seem to have the reaches

500
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,080
like the people that you you you know

501
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:29,600
the name of the big names that you see

502
00:19:33,750 --> 00:19:32,400
on on the bbc or i don't know

503
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,760
i don't know the names in the states i'm

504
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:36,000
afraid um but you know

505
00:19:39,190 --> 00:19:37,600
that's not that's not a christmas or the

506
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:39,200
people i know here but

507
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:40,960
they don't they're not you know at that

508
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:43,200
kind of um level of elevation

509
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,880
they're not household names they are

510
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,799
with us but they're not public at large

511
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,760
kind of thing

512
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,679
so that they're operating from a bit of

513
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,799
a handicap i believe

514
00:19:54,230 --> 00:19:52,960
you know just with um not having that

515
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,240
kind of access

516
00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,720
um but they do i mean our you know our

517
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,480
kind of journalists

518
00:20:02,310 --> 00:20:00,000
they're they're they're really good at

519
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:02,320
what they do they do find out a hell of

520
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,000
a lot of information

521
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,480
but damn yeah not get but getting that

522
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:08,000
to the wider media is a

523
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:10,000
that's the struggle isn't it that's not

524
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,200
the difficulty

525
00:20:16,789 --> 00:20:14,480
that's true um well i mean one thing's

526
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:16,799
for sure

527
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:19,280
i feel you know it's push is going to

528
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,000
come to shove

529
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:22,720
and it's it's either going to get real

530
00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:23,440
wild or

531
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:26,240
just disappear but there's definitely a

532
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,799
climax and a tipping point coming

533
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:30,799
and well you can feel it but i don't

534
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:33,120
know what that's going to look like

535
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:34,799
you know some people have said well

536
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,400
we've been here before i mean maybe not

537
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,400
in this particular point and this far

538
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:40,240
down the road but it almost almost seems

539
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:40,640
that

540
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:42,960
we might have it's groundhog day we may

541
00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:44,000
have been here before

542
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,679
and they may just pull the rug out in

543
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,159
front yeah from under our feet and

544
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:49,840
we're back to square one again i hope

545
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,280
that's not the case

546
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:52,880
but you would i wouldn't want to bet

547
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,400
against it yeah well

548
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,240
and there's definitely certain people

549
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,440
out there that

550
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,840
don't want any disclosure that maybe

551
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:01,280
argues their narrative

552
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:04,480
or you know so on and so forth

553
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:07,760
i mean not maybe news anchors but i see

554
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:10,880
some people are talking about greer here

555
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:15,840
you know that's that's a pretty hardcore

556
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:17,760
no evidence

557
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,799
uh moneybagging narrative

558
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:22,240
and he's been doing it for a long time

559
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:24,000
so when reporters maybe want to go cover

560
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,200
this stuff and they see

561
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:27,120
that or this like maybe it's just

562
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,400
confusing i guess

563
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:30,960
i mean i think a lot of us have a better

564
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:31,679
handle of

565
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,919
things because we do look at it every

566
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,240
day so if it's just someone

567
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,840
who's like all right i'm going to tackle

568
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:39,840
this one story for 10 minutes or

569
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,640
whatever

570
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,559
and they do a little bit of research

571
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,640
they're probably like well i don't

572
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,280
well what is it sometimes out of the

573
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:49,039
blue stories will appear in the media

574
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,760
which

575
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:51,840
haven't really been touched before um

576
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,440
you'll get things that you know have

577
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,919
laying dormant for for years sometimes

578
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,880
um

579
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:58,480
i've just been listening to her to

580
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,840
something on the new on on the radio

581
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,280
news just before i came on here

582
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:03,919
about um people um young young mother

583
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,400
like

584
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:06,000
mothers who who weren't married back in

585
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,360
the back in the day you know sort of 20

586
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:08,720
30 or 40 years ago

587
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:11,440
who were put into unwed mother's houses

588
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,480
to have their babies

589
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,880
and then their babies were adopted now

590
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,640
that's obviously a known thing now

591
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,799
but at some stage that was a new story

592
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,760
and that was something that people

593
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,280
didn't really know about outside those

594
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,799
kind of little circles

595
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:25,280
so at some stage you always get a story

596
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,080
where

597
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,760
nobody really knows about it and people

598
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,960
have to date after the journalists have

599
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,159
to start digging into it

600
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,600
and they have to like talk to witnesses

601
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,880
and they have to you know sort of dig

602
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:33,679
out the truth

603
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,919
bit by bit and make it it makes for a

604
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,760
really compelling and very interesting

605
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,600
and sometimes really heartbreaking story

606
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,000
especially

607
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,840
that one did you know my wife and i were

608
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,039
listening to it but

609
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,880
that's but this is where we are now with

610
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,640
this somebody has to literally take the

611
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,640
bull by the horns and actually sit down

612
00:22:52,149 --> 00:22:50,320
understand it and then start

613
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:52,159
investigating it um

614
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,679
you know we do that already but so why

615
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,280
can't they why can't the journalists

616
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:57,200
outside this this circle do that you

617
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,600
know

618
00:23:00,710 --> 00:23:00,159
it just it it's sort of because that's

619
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,720
your job

620
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,760
that's what you do and you've got to

621
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:04,080
investigate stories another idea i had

622
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,720
is maybe

623
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:07,120
it's just they don't know how to deal

624
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,960
with something bipartisan

625
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,760
then ask then you know sort of go well

626
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,400
sure there's an answer to it but i mean

627
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,799
it's probably against your muscle memory

628
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,440
you know

629
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,919
maybe i i guess bipartisan stories i

630
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,440
mean especially in the states

631
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:23,360
um don't really have traction in the

632
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,240
media do that because there's no

633
00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:25,760
conflict there's no drama

634
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,640
but there must there must be some some

635
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:30,240
topics which are covered which are not

636
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,440
which are non-partisan

637
00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:33,679
uh there must be some things i know i

638
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,360
asked josh shaw

639
00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:39,039
um on on our little kind of talk on our

640
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,480
chat the other night about

641
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:43,360
you know are there any specific topics

642
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:43,679
that

643
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:47,679
and there were some suggestions not just

644
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,240
from him

645
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,760
for other people about what might have

646
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,360
constituted that so there are some

647
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:53,120
around and they must get reported about

648
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,320
some stage

649
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,039
yeah so yeah well how would you approach

650
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:58,720
it if you were a journalist and

651
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,559
they said graham you got 10 minutes to

652
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,320
deliver this

653
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,880
you know on bbc or whatever what angle

654
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:06,320
did you take where would you start

655
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,919
well you'd know whether people there

656
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:09,440
would be people out there who could

657
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,159
contact

658
00:24:13,750 --> 00:24:11,440
and they might not be the first person

659
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,760
you contacted might be the right person

660
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,559
to go to

661
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,679
but you would know from previous um

662
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,919
kind of messages and kind of interviews

663
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,360
you'd be able to find somebody who you

664
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,320
could talk to

665
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:23,840
and then in the in the process of

666
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,200
talking to them you might get ideas

667
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,200
about some some other people to talk to

668
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,760
so at the moment if you you know that

669
00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:31,360
likes to sean cahill and

670
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,919
luis alzondo and others have been on

671
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:35,120
national networks

672
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,039
so there's a start so you can approach

673
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,640
them for information

674
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,799
um you know there are people in the uk

675
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,000
who who

676
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:44,480
pop up occasionally um and if you do an

677
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:45,600
internet search

678
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:48,880
for resources to do with the ufos new

679
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,679
aps

680
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,600
in britain you'll come up with uap media

681
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:53,120
uk

682
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,240
and that's how we're positioning

683
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,640
ourselves to be a kind of resource

684
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,200
for journalists to come to and yes okay

685
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:00,480
we might not be able to answer them

686
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,760
directly but we can point them in the

687
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,200
direction of people who can

688
00:25:07,029 --> 00:25:05,360
sure yeah that's something what we want

689
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,039
to do we don't necessarily want to be

690
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,360
yes we will tell you everything because

691
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,039
we may not be able to

692
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,960
but you know we'll be in a position to

693
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,120
be able to say or one of my colleagues

694
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,200
more likely would be want to be able to

695
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:19,120
say yes i might not can help you

696
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:19,919
directly

697
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,559
but i know somebody who can and that is

698
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,600
the best thing you can do

699
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,960
and journalists don't mind as long as

700
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,159
they're going to get the information you

701
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,080
know if you act as an imagery

702
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,200
then yes yeah and you need that for sure

703
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,000
because yeah like like i just said it

704
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,159
can be confusing and if you don't know

705
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,120
who to go to that you can trust it can

706
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
be dangerous

707
00:25:44,789 --> 00:25:43,360
but journalists i mean yes okay i'm

708
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,799
maybe having a pop of them here but they

709
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:46,400
do have a good sense for like what's

710
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,279
right and what's wrong

711
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,720
you know when they because they talk to

712
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:50,080
enough people and they get enough

713
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,679
from some people and enough

714
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:52,559
truth from others

715
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,080
so they're probably reasonably good

716
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,440
judges of character in terms of when

717
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,120
they talk to somebody as to how

718
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,039
sort of you know how truthful they sound

719
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,240
et cetera how you know

720
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:02,159
and and then they can sort of weed out

721
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:03,200
the people who are a bit kind of

722
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,240
crackpot or

723
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,080
you know tin foil helmet wearing people

724
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,400
whereas they'll understand from

725
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,640
uh looking at the uap media website that

726
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,480
it's all fairly serious you know

727
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,240
um the kind of articles were put up

728
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,679
we're not trying to suggest that we're

729
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,279
being taken over by lizard

730
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,480
you know lizard creatures or anything

731
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,080
like that kind of thing yeah we're very

732
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:21,919
straight up you know so

733
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,360
yeah so it's um you can

734
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:27,200
you can usually tell like from from the

735
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,799
information that you find when you look

736
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,760
at websites how

737
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,320
kind of um how they how they sort of

738
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:34,000
like scale on the bonkers meter you know

739
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:34,400
if they're

740
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:37,520
them

741
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,799
you know they're quite straightforward

742
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,799
and honest or whether they're just like

743
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:42,559
number 10 when it's like yeah okay just

744
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:44,960
i'm going to back away now you know

745
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,880
well let me ask you uh let's change the

746
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:48,799
subject a little bit if you don't mind

747
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:52,400
um are you getting anywhere with your

748
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,000
investigations

749
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,279
the moment personally have to do with

750
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,200
the book i'm writing so the foo fighters

751
00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,960
so that's where most of my time is at

752
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:01,520
the moment

753
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:04,559
right right i i do write occasionally

754
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,279
things

755
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:08,320
more of that once

756
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:11,440
i get the book put to bed that's not

757
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:11,760
very

758
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,960
getting towards the point of where i'm

759
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:16,559
gonna just wrap it up and go yep there

760
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,440
we go it's done

761
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,240
i can't wait i'm waiting on one final

762
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:21,840
batch of information from the

763
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,799
air force historical research research

764
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,440
agency in maxwell air force base alabama

765
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:29,279
and once i get that hopefully in the

766
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,799
next few days then

767
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:32,880
i'll be able to go through that tidy it

768
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:34,720
up i've got a few little things just to

769
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,520
sort of you know

770
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:37,120
sort of tie it together in the book and

771
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:39,120
make sure it's proofread exactly etc and

772
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:39,840
then yeah

773
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,120
yeah it'll go out so awesome yeah

774
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:45,600
so where most of my time is being taken

775
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:46,240
up at the moment

776
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,760
i was writing earlier today before i

777
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,000
came on here and yeah so it's um

778
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:52,240
yeah i think you're getting there though

779
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,440
do you have someone yeah

780
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,559
it's going to be there well um well

781
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:59,440
we'll we'll see shall we so i'll not

782
00:28:02,789 --> 00:28:00,000
thought to

783
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,799
talk too much about that but um yeah no

784
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,320
problem

785
00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:07,039
no that's good it it'll it'll go it'll

786
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,480
go one way or another so

787
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,720
it's not a problem there's any way you

788
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,520
can make it

789
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:15,039
like a book on tape or an audible book

790
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,240
right okay um it'll it at some stage in

791
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,600
the future it might it won't be straight

792
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:21,440
away at some stage in the future it'll

793
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,240
be a um

794
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:24,399
it'll be on a kindle so on the other

795
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,360
kind of platform

796
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:28,320
so even narrative for free oh well a lot

797
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:28,799
of people

798
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,320
tablets and phones and things like that

799
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,679
so that's something i have to address

800
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:36,640
at some stage i just like driving around

801
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:36,960
and

802
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,600
yeah i take long drives so i think the

803
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:40,880
thing about getting them

804
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,880
sort of reads you know as an audio book

805
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,960
that does cost money i think for and

806
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,840
people don't

807
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,720
you know sort of um necessarily have the

808
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,480
kind of the time or to have a subject

809
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,919
that people are prepared to

810
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,399
to shell out for you know so not every

811
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,600
book that you see

812
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:58,000
either if it's on kindle or it's a dead

813
00:29:01,750 --> 00:28:58,880
tree sort of thing

814
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,760
you'll actually find as an audio uh book

815
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,520
it's just the way that it is i'm afraid

816
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,799
but i mean if somebody wanted to come

817
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:06,000
along and make me an offer or something

818
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:06,720
to say oh yeah

819
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,080
i'll talk i'll read it out you know

820
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:12,799
uk foo fighters in uh stories in the

821
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,880
book strayfast

822
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:17,039
any uk foo fighter books um there's a

823
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,159
whole section on

824
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:20,480
sort of of uh raf ones but they don't

825
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,919
actually happen in britain

826
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,159
funny enough there aren't there aren't

827
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,440
um any

828
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,919
uh that i've come across from the wall

829
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,360
who which happen

830
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,320
in sort of you know over the uk they're

831
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:33,679
they tend to happen either over the

832
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,720
channel or

833
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:37,520
uh into france belgium uh over holland

834
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,799
or germany so

835
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,279
um and also in the north sea between

836
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:43,120
scotland and norway there's a case as

837
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,840
well

838
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,840
so uh yeah that's three if that answers

839
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,360
your question hopefully

840
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:50,480
yeah i actually uh just heard something

841
00:29:54,350 --> 00:29:50,880
about

842
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,360
uh uh crash craft in italy

843
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,120
rs33 that'll be that'll be the the

844
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:59,200
documents that were found some time ago

845
00:30:04,710 --> 00:29:59,760
and

846
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,720
of verified to be from the time i

847
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,760
believe

848
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,720
um and it's supposed to be to do with a

849
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:11,200
craft that was located by the italians

850
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,840
um and they sort of examined it looked

851
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:14,240
at it

852
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,600
and then nobody really knows what

853
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:17,279
happened to it afterwards yeah

854
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,039
um do you know what you're what that was

855
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,320
by chance well

856
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,679
um i believe it was 1933

857
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:25,279
um and that would be why it was called

858
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:26,960
rs

859
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:30,240
33. uh it's supposed to have got links

860
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:31,039
with um

861
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:33,120
cyano who i believe was mussolini's

862
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:34,399
brother

863
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,679
i'm just talking off the top of my head

864
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,760
here sure i do know i sort of do know

865
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,640
the story i'm just

866
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:40,720
i'm a bit wooly about some of the names

867
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,960
um and i think it was put

868
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,640
whatever the craft was according to the

869
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:46,399
story i'm again

870
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,159
it's one of these ones where it's so

871
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,720
long ago and you've got only sort of

872
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,880
a few documents which may or may not be

873
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,320
accurate i know they've been

874
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:56,159
sort of tested but that doesn't say that

875
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:57,440
somebody hasn't got the materials from

876
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:58,000
back then

877
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,919
and then done them you know sometime

878
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,919
afterwards um

879
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,880
but it's a story basically i think i

880
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:05,600
read in one of

881
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,880
tim good's books yeah um some 20 odd

882
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:09,840
years ago

883
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,919
that's when i first read about it yeah

884
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:13,600
quite a long time ago

885
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:17,760
that seems interesting um any

886
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:20,720
material recovery stories in the uk

887
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,480
there's the rendel shim what have what's

888
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,679
that story about

889
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:25,919
so the reynolds story is from 1980 from

890
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:29,120
december 1980 and it's to do with um

891
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,720
an alleged craft that landed outside a a

892
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:35,519
a u.s air force base in in east anglia

893
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,880
uh there's two airfields very close

894
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,760
together there was one called

895
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:40,000
um woodbridge and one called bent waters

896
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
um and

897
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,799
there was a even though at the time it

898
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:44,399
wasn't known but apparently one of the

899
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:45,840
bases actually had nuclear weapons

900
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,720
stored there

901
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,240
so that that's the fact that people

902
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,840
think might be to do with you know why

903
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,200
this craft was there

904
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,519
so um it was over a course of a couple

905
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,640
of nights and

906
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,720
at the time the dates weren't entirely

907
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,200
kind of sort of

908
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,039
they didn't come across as being very um

909
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,559
sort of

910
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,480
well people said that there were the one

911
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,159
date and then it turned out it was two

912
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,840
dates but then the dates were wrong in

913
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,360
terms of how they were reported by the

914
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:11,440
by the official here the the colonel on

915
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:13,200
the base who actually went out

916
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,799
with some of these men to see this

917
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,799
whatever it was um

918
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,399
and it turned out to be like a kind of

919
00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:20,159
triangle kind of wedge-shaped

920
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,519
craft apparently that came in through

921
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:23,039
the trees and landed in a clearing in

922
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:23,919
the woods

923
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,039
um and there's supposed to be a

924
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,640
physiological effect from one of the

925
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:30,080
airmen who touched it

926
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,760
uh bear in mind this is outside the base

927
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:33,279
so they actually had no jurisdiction out

928
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:34,320
there they had to leave their weapons

929
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,720
behind

930
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,880
because they were on uk territory so

931
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,159
they had to you know they were they were

932
00:32:42,149 --> 00:32:39,279
basically walking through

933
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:42,159
uh trees in the dark um looking for this

934
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,360
whatever this what the thought

935
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,519
that landed there i think it originally

936
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:46,960
believed it was aircraft that might have

937
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,760
crashed

938
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:50,320
um but it was you know it was like light

939
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,679
shining from it and all the rest it

940
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,519
um people have suggested it was actually

941
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,880
the orphaned nest lighthouse

942
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,880
which is some miles away it's a visible

943
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:58,720
light a landmark in the day

944
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,480
um it's also um you can see the light at

945
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:03,679
night but apparently not

946
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,600
from the position they were looking at

947
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,279
so that's been put forward

948
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,760
as a kind of suggestion but it seems to

949
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,880
be ruled out

950
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:13,360
yeah there's also like kind of stories

951
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,559
as well to go around with it

952
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,159
it's a bit of it's turned out to be a

953
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,640
bit of a mess yeah in my opinion

954
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:20,480
this is my opinion only it's turned out

955
00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,919
to be a bit of a mess

956
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,919
because there's all sorts of suggestions

957
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,519
about the ses getting but the special

958
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,200
essay was getting involved which

959
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,480
yeah it's just paper talk um again there

960
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:32,240
was confusion over the dates when they

961
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,960
were reported

962
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,440
exactly which date there's a guy who

963
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:36,480
wrote a book

964
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:39,519
who may or may not have been involved in

965
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,919
the the case he said he was he was one

966
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,039
of the airmen apparently

967
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,320
but then there's some suggestions that

968
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:46,399
he wasn't that involved and yet he's got

969
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,279
all this kind of

970
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:50,000
huge story about what happened um and

971
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:50,720
then there's the

972
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,630
calvin graham i'll talk about that in a

973
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,360
minute if you want

974
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,480
okay uh the one the airman's supposed to

975
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:02,080
have touched the object and then he was

976
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,440
supposed to get some kind of mental

977
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,559
download of

978
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:07,600
um information and code so that's it

979
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:10,240
you know there's all this as well and

980
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,839
sometimes these things get to a point

981
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,720
where

982
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,280
my kind of meter gets sort of

983
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:17,679
triggered if you know what i mean

984
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,790
because it's a really famous uk case and

985
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,639
there was clearly something going on

986
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:27,359
with it

987
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,069
it's one of these cases where i'll have

988
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:35,599
these kind of times where i think yeah

989
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,960
there's definitely something to this

990
00:34:39,750 --> 00:34:38,399
you know and i need to find out what it

991
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:39,760
is i want to help other people find out

992
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,440
what it is i want to be involved in it

993
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,440
you know and or just read that read more

994
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:45,440
about it and there's other times when

995
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,760
i'll

996
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,280
look back at the information i have

997
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,639
about and about the case and go

998
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:52,000
and then there's other times in between

999
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,510
well that's me my entire time on ufo

1000
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,960
twitter

1001
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,480
but then again i have the same about

1002
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:04,000
roswell you know because

1003
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,680
um it was one of the ones i used to read

1004
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,760
about years ago and then uh

1005
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,599
every time a bit of new information came

1006
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,880
out about it and this is going back

1007
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,160
before 2017

1008
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,079
before this latest kind of you know

1009
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,560
interest started up um

1010
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:18,240
and we used to read all the books that

1011
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:19,280
came out about it and i would have

1012
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,079
muscled these

1013
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,920
all these facts out here i hear people

1014
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:23,280
talking about it on youtube and all the

1015
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:24,079
rest of it

1016
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,440
and then in about the sort of 2000s and

1017
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:30,640
the 2010s some of the the witnesses who

1018
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,040
had been sort of put up as being you

1019
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,000
know really kind of

1020
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:36,480
um caught to the story uh the mortician

1021
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,200
for one

1022
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,599
and a couple of uh people who were based

1023
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,359
there who said they were involved

1024
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,960
it turned out that either they weren't

1025
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:45,280
involved they weren't anywhere near

1026
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,720
or that they were making part of their

1027
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,560
story up um

1028
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:50,240
the terms of the mortician apparently

1029
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,839
that the nurse's name that he came up

1030
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,880
with who's supposed to have seen the

1031
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:53,839
bodies

1032
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,280
um he made her name up so the name that

1033
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,800
the resources were chasing

1034
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,560
didn't exist he said that she was killed

1035
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:02,720
in a plane crash in europe

1036
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:05,440
and nobody's been able to find her so um

1037
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,000
his

1038
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,839
doesn't it and therefore the story

1039
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,280
suffers as well because

1040
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:13,200
he's been built it was part of that kind

1041
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,480
of you know that whole

1042
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,440
kind of um sort of you know like story

1043
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,640
towards

1044
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:20,240
with roswell and then of course with

1045
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,760
some of the winston's getting

1046
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,119
other witnesses getting knocked down a

1047
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,960
bit it started takes it took the gloss

1048
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,400
off the whole story for me

1049
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,480
and it made me a bit disillusioned as

1050
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,680
well when i started reading this because

1051
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,119
i just think because you think well if

1052
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,560
this can happen to this story

1053
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,640
which is like this huge thing that

1054
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,800
underpins almost the ufo kind of you

1055
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,280
know

1056
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,320
the legend then yeah which other stories

1057
00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,960
are a bit kind of dodgy as well you know

1058
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:43,839
what i mean

1059
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:48,240
yeah and yeah i i i get quite i'm well

1060
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:49,359
i'm getting old so i'm getting quite

1061
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:50,079
cynical

1062
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,920
but i start i start to think you know

1063
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,520
yeah which other ones

1064
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,000
and do i really know or do i really

1065
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:57,760
think i know as much as i should

1066
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,400
about a lot of the stories yeah that's

1067
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,760
that's hard i mean you could drive

1068
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,720
yourself crazy

1069
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,320
thinking about that at some point you

1070
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,440
just kind of have to trust your

1071
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:07,119
instincts and stick to what you feel

1072
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,000
good about

1073
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,760
well funnily enough i did drive myself a

1074
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,520
bit crazy not obviously not

1075
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:14,000
not mentally kind of crazy i was just

1076
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:14,800
running around

1077
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:17,839
trying to like figure it all out and

1078
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,200
this was back in the you know say the

1079
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,280
2000s 2010s kind of thing

1080
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,280
um but then i had then obviously the

1081
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,200
information in 2017 came out

1082
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
and it i got a sense of clarity because

1083
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,520
this was a case that i couldn't

1084
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,720
sort of shoot holes in you know it was

1085
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,000
all the information that came out about

1086
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:36,079
that it just seems it almost seems

1087
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:37,200
watertight

1088
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:39,280
in so much as there's something going on

1089
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:40,880
but i can't tell what it is

1090
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,480
and and obviously you know people out

1091
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:43,680
there can't tell whether there's either

1092
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,240
so that

1093
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:45,920
that kind of galvanized me into action

1094
00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:48,560
again and got me really interested

1095
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,760
and yeah but here i am yeah yeah but

1096
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,599
randall shams yeah it's a funny one

1097
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,720
i'm sure there's more information to

1098
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,560
come out about that and it's one of

1099
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,599
these cases where

1100
00:38:00,870 --> 00:38:00,480
we need that to be able to try and just

1101
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,880
work

1102
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,800
just trying to settle down a bit into

1103
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:04,640
trying to work out what was happening

1104
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,440
rather than

1105
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,680
kind of piecemeal we've got some people

1106
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,880
saying they were involved when they

1107
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,240
might not have been we've got other

1108
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,520
people telling us that we're

1109
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,359
touching objects when we don't know if

1110
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,680
that's true uh it seems a bit outlandish

1111
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,200
but it could well be true who knows what

1112
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,320
i mean

1113
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,760
what is it anything reality could be

1114
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,359
outlandish exactly yeah

1115
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,599
we deal with some kind of way out way

1116
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:27,040
out kind of details in this field so i

1117
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:28,400
suppose anything's possible

1118
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,359
yeah i wasn't there so i can't tell i

1119
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:33,040
just remember that the headline in one

1120
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:33,440
of the

1121
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,520
it was ufo lands in suffolk and that's

1122
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:38,960
official

1123
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,109
he wants to talk about calvin doesn't he

1124
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:57,040
uh yeah i don't know you just uh you

1125
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:57,520
just

1126
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,359
type that i don't even know

1127
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:03,280
yeah well funnily enough i wrote

1128
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,480
something for shadows of your mind

1129
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,520
magazine about that

1130
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,240
um a little while ago and uh dave dave

1131
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,000
couldn't actually publish it in the last

1132
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,160
issue uh i don't think there just wasn't

1133
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,640
time or space to put it in um so i think

1134
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,079
i think he held it over for the next one

1135
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,920
so that's going to come out um

1136
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,079
it's it's part of a slightly bigger

1137
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,760
story about some kind of

1138
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:24,160
um strange kind of aircraft that were

1139
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,200
flying around

1140
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:27,599
the uk and also in america back in the

1141
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,720
1990s so

1142
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,040
uh so that's part of that story and

1143
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:32,800
there's so many little

1144
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,359
stories that you can find and grab grab

1145
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,359
onto and investigate it

1146
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:39,359
so calvin i mean some people think that

1147
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,520
was some kind of super secret us tech

1148
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:43,520
but it was hovering apparently for for

1149
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,760
10 minutes and then it shut off

1150
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,400
so you know whatever that tech was it

1151
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:50,000
has to have some kind of fairly radical

1152
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,640
kind of

1153
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,800
um you know sort of apparatus behind it

1154
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:55,040
to be able to do those kind of maneuvers

1155
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:57,040
live at high speed and also hover there

1156
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:58,480
was another case which is in this

1157
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:59,200
article about

1158
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,599
the the thing that whatever crashed at

1159
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:03,119
boscom down which is an airfield down

1160
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,240
the south of england

1161
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,920
uh in 1994 um

1162
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:10,560
and as soon as that it landed one night

1163
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,960
um

1164
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,640
and it had a top hole and put over it

1165
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:14,400
straight away to hide it because nobody

1166
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:14,720
want

1167
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,800
was now that suggests it wasn't a ufo

1168
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:20,319
it was probably something very very

1169
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:22,160
secret and there are

1170
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,680
they've been over the years have been

1171
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,240
suggestions of what it is at the time

1172
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:28,000
um i was a bit more of an aircraft

1173
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,280
enthusiast

1174
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,640
in terms of running around the country

1175
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:32,400
looking at aircraft than i am now

1176
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:33,839
i tend to just to read about stuff now

1177
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:35,920
and research stuff whereas back then i

1178
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:36,480
was actually

1179
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,240
i literally was driving around the

1180
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:39,839
country taking pictures of things

1181
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
a lot oh yeah i mean we're only a small

1182
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:44,160
island but we're 700 miles from top to

1183
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,599
bottom so i was doing a lot of mileage

1184
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:46,640
back then

1185
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:48,960
um and where i live at the moment it was

1186
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:50,960
like a six hour drive down to down to

1187
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,359
there

1188
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:53,920
so um yeah but i would i would i would

1189
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,760
do it sometimes to see something that

1190
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,880
was really interesting

1191
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:59,119
anyway and i had like people who i knew

1192
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,160
around the country who would

1193
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,839
you would all exchange information about

1194
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,440
certain things back then and that

1195
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:05,119
actually propped up at the time it was

1196
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,240
oh have you heard about this thing that

1197
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,560
landed at bosco and

1198
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,960
of course it was the internet was was in

1199
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,560
its infancy then but there were

1200
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,000
kind of message boards and things where

1201
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,760
information got passed around

1202
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,680
so um yeah there was talk about

1203
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,520
something strange which had landed there

1204
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,040
and that you know the the police were

1205
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,560
closing off roads and

1206
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,160
uh this thing was hidden under a

1207
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,839
tarpaulin and then of course there was a

1208
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,720
big um

1209
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,880
a galaxy one the big u.s transports came

1210
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,400
in one day was diverted

1211
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,280
in from a flight to ramstein uh in

1212
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,800
germany it was diverted to come and pick

1213
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:36,400
it up and it took it away to palm

1214
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:39,599
palmdale in california of all places

1215
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:43,920
interesting yeah interesting yeah

1216
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:48,079
yeah palmdale so yeah

1217
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,480
did you hear the the story recently

1218
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,240
about um

1219
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,720
uh some sort of air vehicle that crashed

1220
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
at the nevada air base

1221
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:58,640
there was a story that was just the last

1222
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,480
last few last 24 hours or something yeah

1223
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,440
well they said they didn't uh it hasn't

1224
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,880
they haven't said what kind of

1225
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,480
vehicle it was or anything i doubt they

1226
00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:10,240
would somehow um

1227
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:13,599
yeah if usually in our country if an raf

1228
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,800
jet crashes

1229
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,400
it's either obvious what it is or

1230
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,839
sometimes if they don't know

1231
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,760
what it is over the years they'll be a

1232
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,440
bit cagey about it until

1233
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,200
the next akin are informed sometimes and

1234
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,319
then you'll get more details about

1235
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,920
what's going on

1236
00:42:29,109 --> 00:42:27,760
but um i don't know what i don't know

1237
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,119
how it works i don't know how it works

1238
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:31,280
in the states to do with that but

1239
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:33,200
i depends on where it went down like you

1240
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,480
don't even know what it was

1241
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:36,079
you know so for a little while until

1242
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:37,040
they get to the wreckage and then

1243
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,240
they'll say oh yeah

1244
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:40,800
oh yeah it's a greasy alien body unless

1245
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,760
of course a scare

1246
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:42,960
unless of course it's something you know

1247
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,000
that they don't want people to know

1248
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,839
about that they're still testing

1249
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,400
but i mean i haven't even i haven't been

1250
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,000
able to dive too much into the store yet

1251
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:51,359
because the one thing i looked at was

1252
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,319
behind a paywall

1253
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,640
um have you got any more details right

1254
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:55,760
about it

1255
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,190
it's all like unknown as as you know

1256
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,960
right now and it could be because of

1257
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,319
what you said they got a

1258
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,720
you know notified next step and all that

1259
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,839
stuff before anything i've

1260
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,520
looked into it too deeply i've been i'm

1261
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,480
like i've been busy on the book all day

1262
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,079
i'm just gonna say what advice do you

1263
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:18,720
have to somebody as far as

1264
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,079
you know what should you be paying

1265
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,119
attention to especially now with so many

1266
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,720
different things kind of grabbing for

1267
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:26,560
your attention you know you got

1268
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:29,200
valley polo harris and then you have

1269
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:29,760
greer

1270
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,000
and then you have uh elizondo and

1271
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:36,079
you know it there's just a lot of

1272
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:37,359
different things happening

1273
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,640
so how do you you know make the most

1274
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,280
of your time and devoted to the right

1275
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:44,640
place

1276
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,760
do you know that's a really difficult

1277
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:47,040
one because also depends on your

1278
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,480
interests doesn't it

1279
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,280
because you have people who well i'm

1280
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,800
interested in nuts and bolts things i

1281
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,160
can see and i can touch

1282
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,400
so that's more to do with what i i come

1283
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:57,520
across as

1284
00:44:01,109 --> 00:43:59,599
that doesn't i don't mean to belittle

1285
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,119
other sides of this

1286
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,960
because they're equally as valid so

1287
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,720
people who are experiences

1288
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,560
they they might have you know that might

1289
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,000
be where they're coming from and that

1290
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,760
that's their interest and that's great

1291
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:11,280
you have people who underdo with

1292
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,240
consciousness

1293
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,240
as well you have um you know other

1294
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:16,560
people who in to do with meta materials

1295
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:19,200
uh and and other there's all sorts of

1296
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:20,000
other things to do

1297
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,359
to go around this yeah like do with

1298
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:22,960
historical stuff which is against part

1299
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,599
of my things

1300
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,079
people just so there is something for

1301
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,760
everybody so for me to say you should be

1302
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:28,800
looking at this

1303
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,560
i'm not sure actually i can answer that

1304
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,319
with any kind of like um

1305
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,119
expertise because what i'm interested in

1306
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,000
sort of determines what

1307
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:38,720
i look at i'll i'll sort of see other

1308
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:39,280
things

1309
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:40,960
but i might not pay as much attention to

1310
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:43,200
them as i would with other things

1311
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,040
sure and that and then if you ask chris

1312
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,560
wolford he you know

1313
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,160
if you ask him the same question before

1314
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,440
he would probably come maybe come up

1315
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,640
with a different answer to me

1316
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,800
you might have a different um you know

1317
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:54,160
sort of answer to that

1318
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,520
um i'll look at the chat here we've got

1319
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,960
greg o'brien i don't know what he's

1320
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:57,839
interested in but he might be

1321
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,040
interesting something different

1322
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,680
i know strafe has you know he he

1323
00:45:04,150 --> 00:45:03,200
probably has his own things he looks at

1324
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,160
as well um

1325
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,640
dan who's there as well so everybody has

1326
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,240
their own kind of

1327
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,319
sort of personal kind of interests

1328
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:11,839
within within ufology

1329
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,109
because so there are there seems to be

1330
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,880
so much going on with it and people have

1331
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:22,400
different experiences depending on how

1332
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,280
they come to it

1333
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:25,280
so yeah so there's something there is

1334
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,400
something for everybody

1335
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:29,040
um i mean in terms of maybe what i'm

1336
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,240
interested i can only talk about what

1337
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,000
i'm interested in so yeah what else

1338
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,000
and the people who you know i respect

1339
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:35,200
and and what have you

1340
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:38,240
um so jacques villa's been going for

1341
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,640
years

1342
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,160
in terms of an investigator i mean i

1343
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,839
remember you know i read his books in

1344
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:43,200
the 1970s even though they would have

1345
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,319
been published

1346
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,960
10 years earlier um so he's he's he's

1347
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,480
been around forever

1348
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,119
um so that tends to like confirm some

1349
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:52,880
kind of you know respectability about

1350
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,440
like

1351
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:56,160
reading his you know his material and if

1352
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:56,480
he

1353
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,680
certainly take notes of it you might not

1354
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:01,200
entirely agree with it again because

1355
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,480
it's your personal choice

1356
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,560
but you would still give it some time so

1357
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,000
there's there's one thing

1358
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,760
i don't know that much about pilot

1359
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,680
harris i know other people who do

1360
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,200
and they said yeah she's you know she's

1361
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,960
been into it investigating a lot of

1362
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,119
things uh but personally i don't

1363
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,880
so i would have to go on just valet's

1364
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:18,160
name um

1365
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,319
and then in terms of podcasts i mean

1366
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,920
there's podcasts i listen to

1367
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:24,160
which i quite like so i've got likes of

1368
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,359
micah hanks

1369
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,680
who he says he's a skeptic but he says

1370
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,280
he's an informed skeptic

1371
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,839
his show is usually quite good um he has

1372
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:33,119
some you know when he does have he

1373
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,160
doesn't have guests all

1374
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,839
the time but when he does that they're

1375
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:37,200
quite you know authoritative and they're

1376
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,319
quite interesting

1377
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,040
um but when he just does his monologues

1378
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,000
equally he's quite

1379
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,079
in depth and he sees all sides of things

1380
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:45,440
and he doesn't just come down on one

1381
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,240
side the other

1382
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,480
he just basically gives information and

1383
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,000
a little bit of opinion on it

1384
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:52,000
and i really i thoroughly enjoy his

1385
00:46:56,390 --> 00:46:53,359
podcasts um

1386
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,400
i can't not um talking about andy's uh

1387
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,400
podcast uh that ufo podcast

1388
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,400
yeah one of my friends with my

1389
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,240
colleagues however

1390
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,760
i must admit he was one of the ones i

1391
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,960
latched on to last year when the

1392
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,960
pandemic started

1393
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,640
that's when he started doing it in april

1394
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,280
i think like um maybe last year

1395
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:13,599
um and i caught it about two or three

1396
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,400
weeks after

1397
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:16,319
the first one he did and i actually did

1398
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:17,520
catch up with it then

1399
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,760
um and i just thought you know this

1400
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,880
somebody was asking

1401
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,400
questions which i don't really hear

1402
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:24,000
anyone else and he was thinking you

1403
00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:25,119
could tell there's a lot of thought went

1404
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,079
behind the questions

1405
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:27,920
you could tell there was like follow-ups

1406
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,680
as well and it wasn't just the kind of

1407
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,200
run-of-the-mill kind of questions

1408
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:32,800
and plus it was scots so it was an

1409
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,319
accident i could understand because i

1410
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,079
know i don't live right from scotland

1411
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,680
i've got relatives who live up there i

1412
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:39,280
spend a lot of time in scotland anyway

1413
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,319
so um

1414
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,160
you know the accent didn't matter to me

1415
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,520
i can i can understand it it doesn't

1416
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:44,960
bother me either actually

1417
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,960
uh but you know i don't know i've been

1418
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:48,400
listening to british music for a long

1419
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:53,270
yeah but no you're right i was just

1420
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,520
listening to his uh episode with sean

1421
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,400
cahill today

1422
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:59,119
oh yeah yeah um and yeah right away he's

1423
00:48:01,589 --> 00:48:00,000
i'm not gonna

1424
00:48:04,630 --> 00:48:01,599
ruin it for anyone because it's not

1425
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:04,640
released yet but his questions are great

1426
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,760
they'll and you know you can tell

1427
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,559
there's

1428
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,680
an intent there to just

1429
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:13,599
touch on things that maybe people

1430
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,760
haven't thought of before

1431
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,359
you know through a different perspective

1432
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,280
or bring things

1433
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,200
up because he just pays attention and he

1434
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,640
listens so

1435
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,400
you know and that sounds like an easy

1436
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,680
thing to do but

1437
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,000
you'd be surprised how many people

1438
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,680
listen but they don't listen

1439
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:31,760
no that's not true yeah and when you

1440
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:33,359
actually listen you can ask good

1441
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:34,319
questions

1442
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,240
because you're paying attention yeah he

1443
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,240
does that he does a great job with him

1444
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,480
he does yeah and i say i think when he

1445
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:42,000
started he wasn't sure how successful it

1446
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,880
was going to be but

1447
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,520
it's true i'm sure it surprised him how

1448
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,640
it's taken off

1449
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,720
um but i was quite in awe of the kind of

1450
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:50,160
people he was getting

1451
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,280
as guests from the get-go you know and

1452
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,800
that would have i think if i'd been in

1453
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,319
issues that would frighten me

1454
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,240
you know yeah so you know to talk to

1455
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:59,760
these really big names who people who

1456
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:00,720
had heard about

1457
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,800
um over the years or just recently since

1458
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,839
2017

1459
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,200
and that would have yeah that would have

1460
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:07,680
happened i got a couple

1461
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,119
guests that are coming on that um

1462
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,000
you know i've watched as an observer

1463
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,319
like the basement office is one of the

1464
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:19,119
you know first things i kind of latched

1465
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,079
on to and

1466
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,079
couldn't get enough of and i got green

1467
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:23,920
street coming on and then

1468
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,559
sean cahill and upset unidentified like

1469
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:27,520
i've been

1470
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,319
looking at these guys forever um so to

1471
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,920
see

1472
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:34,960
yeah it'll be interesting so i'm looking

1473
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,160
looking forward to it um i'm gonna have

1474
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,640
to make sure i step my game up

1475
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,800
well i mean i i cast my mind back to

1476
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,240
when i was on the big phone home

1477
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:46,559
and we'd been given a list of like time

1478
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,680
slots to go on to

1479
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,280
and this is bear in mind this is before

1480
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,800
i realized that it was under it was

1481
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,760
going to be on

1482
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,319
um and dan and i from uap media put up

1483
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:55,920
put our names down for that first slot

1484
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,960
for from 10 o'clock

1485
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,359
it was originally just from 10 half 10.

1486
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:01,200
um and then of course we found out that

1487
00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:02,800
lou was going to be on as well

1488
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:05,760
and i was sort of going okay do i should

1489
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,160
i really be here should i be taking

1490
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:10,720
valuable time um because i'm i'm a

1491
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,240
nobody really you know i've written a

1492
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,359
few articles and

1493
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,720
obviously one of them got you know sort

1494
00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:16,400
of highlighted by chris mellon and

1495
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,880
i'm i'm writing a book but really that's

1496
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,160
that's all i've done

1497
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,880
um you know and i think i felt like a

1498
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,400
bit of a fraud actually when i was sort

1499
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,920
of signing up for it but then people

1500
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,880
were telling me no no

1501
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,319
you've got just as much right to be here

1502
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,319
as anybody else has and i was thinking

1503
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,079
well come on that's not right surely

1504
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,040
um so it was one thing i keep hearing is

1505
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:36,480
you know you can't be an expert at the

1506
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,200
unknown

1507
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,440
so well that's true i just felt that

1508
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:40,960
there was people who might have had a

1509
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:43,280
kind of might have resonated more with

1510
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,160
the audience

1511
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,040
um and and people were saying no well

1512
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:48,559
seriously but people might have been you

1513
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,119
know

1514
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,040
expecting like bigger names then you

1515
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,640
know to be around

1516
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,880
around lou but i was i was don't get me

1517
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:56,400
wrong i was really grateful for the

1518
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,280
opportunity

1519
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,520
um yeah and it was it was lovely to talk

1520
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,880
to him bear in mind i've never been able

1521
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:01,920
to talk to him before

1522
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,119
um yeah and i think that's that's what

1523
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,240
it was but then again

1524
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,520
maybe about the third time i've been

1525
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,079
actually on a show so yeah

1526
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:12,480
but it was i went back and watched maybe

1527
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:13,599
my first couple

1528
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,359
just uh you know see if a lot's changed

1529
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:19,119
in three weeks

1530
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:38,470
it was yeah no this is

1531
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:42,720
uh 43 43 and yeah how many weeks

1532
00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,430
i make sure to do one every day even if

1533
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:53,200
it's just like 15 20 minutes or

1534
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:53,760
something

1535
00:51:59,829 --> 00:51:57,599
you know and then we have these where

1536
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,839
you know because i rather do people like

1537
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:01,359
different things but there's

1538
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:02,800
you know the group chat and everything

1539
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,520
but i what i like to do is just be one

1540
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:06,800
on one

1541
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:11,040
and you know just feed off of each other

1542
00:52:17,829 --> 00:52:14,960
more so and that also extends

1543
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:17,839
you know the content and it gives the

1544
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:18,319
guests

1545
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,000
more room to you know

1546
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,319
talk and all that stuff so that's i like

1547
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:25,839
that yeah i do like that about this show

1548
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,319
you

1549
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,079
i don't have to be so i don't feel like

1550
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,760
i have to follow a script and i don't

1551
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:31,119
have to like keep to the

1552
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,359
sort of a particular topic it's quite

1553
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,200
nice so i've covered a few things here

1554
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:36,800
um yeah speaking of covering stuff do

1555
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:38,319
you want to talk about jake tapas and

1556
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,119
stuff

1557
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,960
basically oh yeah we were going to do

1558
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,720
that jake tapper he said i don't have to

1559
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:44,160
don't want to i don't mind yeah

1560
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:46,240
i mean we kind of covered it and there

1561
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:49,040
wasn't really that much to say right

1562
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,920
so there wasn't a huge amount um i mean

1563
00:52:55,109 --> 00:52:53,040
i just thought that he wasn't

1564
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,119
he wasn't good martha mccallum was a

1565
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:56,640
little better

1566
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,720
but oh i haven't heard that one yet okay

1567
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:03,599
that was a little bit before it it just

1568
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:04,480
seems like

1569
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,079
they give them a

1570
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,880
better attitude or whatever you know i

1571
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,839
don't know why

1572
00:53:14,549 --> 00:53:13,200
there's definitely one thing that mean i

1573
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:14,559
picked up on when he was talking about

1574
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,280
you know what

1575
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,200
when he asked was asked what they were

1576
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,800
they've he's dropped the bit about well

1577
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,160
they could be us tech

1578
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,520
that's yeah that's right so if you

1579
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:23,119
notice that wasn't an option anymore it

1580
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:28,309
and always before foreign been well

1581
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:29,119
there could be one of three

1582
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,079
possibilities

1583
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:33,119
so it was noticeable that that bit had

1584
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,839
been dropped

1585
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,440
and that was the first bit i picked up

1586
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,040
on i think i only picked up on two

1587
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,400
things which i'm definitely trying to

1588
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:40,880
scrabble to look for the second time

1589
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,000
his interview with uh um max

1590
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,440
marquez yesterday

1591
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:49,119
yeah i did i did actually watch that

1592
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,400
yeah and of course he's got harry reid

1593
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:52,079
coming up as well hasn't he yeah

1594
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:55,040
well i'm just like hello leads you to

1595
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,200
believe some pretty

1596
00:54:01,750 --> 00:54:00,240
crazy stuff you know like lou's talking

1597
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,760
about

1598
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,079
a lot of stuff right now like making

1599
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:06,000
drawings of disks and all this kind of

1600
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:07,280
stuff and

1601
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,440
um salvador baez and his his patents and

1602
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,920
and that's kind of like leading theories

1603
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,520
well he'll say speculation

1604
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,440
but then i'll dive into it and you know

1605
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,359
so much about it and i'm like come on

1606
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:22,240
is it speculation he's come a long way

1607
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:22,880
since the

1608
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,319
was first on

1609
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:28,160
either cnn or nbc or whichever show it

1610
00:54:31,349 --> 00:54:29,440
was i remember seeing him

1611
00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:31,359
and i remember seeing him in this in the

1612
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:33,520
white shirt with a high collar neck on

1613
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:33,839
it

1614
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:38,079
he just look like you would build like a

1615
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,520
fire plug inside this you know

1616
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,599
that's not i mean i'm not trying to you

1617
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,720
know

1618
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,319
but it's what he came across he came

1619
00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:48,079
across as this really really

1620
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,280
serious guy no messing you know just

1621
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:54,160
i'm telling you like it is you know um

1622
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:54,559
and

1623
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,480
giving nothing away it was just

1624
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,000
these are the facts ma'am you know kind

1625
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:03,599
of thing like kind of john wayne kind of

1626
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,319
speech you know

1627
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:06,720
he'd run into town he's just delivering

1628
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,520
that kind of

1629
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,359
like this is what we're doing we're

1630
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:11,119
talking about you know we investigate

1631
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,920
ufos

1632
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:13,680
we did it for a few years and they're

1633
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:15,280
definitely there and then yeah

1634
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,920
we're off and now it's almost like he's

1635
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:20,160
opening up isn't he he's talking about

1636
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,559
little

1637
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,400
bits and pieces and beyond that kind of

1638
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,599
just that kind of

1639
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,760
30 second kind of fact download that he

1640
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:27,280
was coming out with back then

1641
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:30,960
um well there's a new effect download

1642
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,680
i think coming you know that's what i

1643
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:34,000
think

1644
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,720
you know and practicing because

1645
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,240
you know yeah he repeats the same kind

1646
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,240
of stuff but there

1647
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,640
he goes through like chapters or

1648
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,280
quarters

1649
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,920
in the fact she gets updated and there's

1650
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:52,319
new stuff in there now and

1651
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,559
but i think you have to watch those you

1652
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,760
have to watch these interviews very

1653
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,839
closely because

1654
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,359
i mean with max's there was there was

1655
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,720
more information came out i mean they

1656
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,079
had his little back of the envelope

1657
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:04,160
drawing didn't he um you know what you

1658
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,280
came out with you know

1659
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:07,839
you don't see that too often um you know

1660
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,640
so

1661
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:10,160
there's these little and then you get

1662
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,150
and people do pick over everything he

1663
00:56:18,470 --> 00:56:18,079
says um i mean personally i don't

1664
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,480
because

1665
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,920
i like to get a sense of what he's like

1666
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,680
rather than just going into all the deal

1667
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,559
all the time

1668
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:24,720
um because watching him as well is just

1669
00:56:26,789 --> 00:56:26,000
as interesting as like listening to what

1670
00:56:31,589 --> 00:56:26,799
he said it is

1671
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,599
uh but he's but he's it's got to be hard

1672
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:33,119
you know i really feel for him sometimes

1673
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:34,319
because he's got all this information

1674
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:35,440
clearly tucked away in his head and he

1675
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:36,480
can't tell anybody

1676
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,839
you can give him if you're saying give

1677
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,839
impressions about it and he can give you

1678
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:41,680
a bit of nuance here and there but he's

1679
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,599
restricted by his nda so he can't say

1680
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,230
i wouldn't like to be in his shoes you

1681
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,559
know no yeah and he's got

1682
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,480
there's a lot of stuff right now going

1683
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,240
on with the dod

1684
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:56,160
exactly you know and he can't even talk

1685
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,240
about anything

1686
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:01,200
that he has to do with it if any um well

1687
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:03,280
the dod asked him to not talk about his

1688
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,760
role

1689
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,880
apparently yeah or or whatever so

1690
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,200
it's getting pretty crazy it is coming

1691
00:57:12,069 --> 00:57:11,119
up it's coming out though isn't it

1692
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:12,079
because

1693
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:15,599
uh in terms of you know what kind of

1694
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:18,480
consequences um you know he's facing

1695
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,200
since he

1696
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,359
resigned and he started talking about it

1697
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,680
um that seems to be coming out bit by

1698
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,559
bit now and of course

1699
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:26,960
there's a lawyer involved as well and

1700
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,319
there's investigations

1701
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,200
in terms of inspector general so yeah

1702
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,720
it's um

1703
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,559
it's it's almost going a little bit

1704
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:36,960
political without the poll

1705
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:40,079
right no yeah i hear you vortex yeah

1706
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,119
kind of thing for sure

1707
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,240
from just being about the issue about

1708
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:44,319
ufos it's going to be an issue about

1709
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:45,359
procedure and

1710
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:49,200
and regulations and um disclosure small

1711
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:49,440
d

1712
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,640
consequences

1713
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:58,640
so it's gone from just being the issue

1714
00:58:01,270 --> 00:58:00,480
to being about him whether he likes it

1715
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,280
or not

1716
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,119
yeah oh yeah but unfortunately that's a

1717
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:04,319
real shame but then again that happens

1718
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,799
to

1719
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,319
well we would call him whistleblowers i

1720
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,680
suppose but he's not really a

1721
00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:08,960
whistleblower is he because he hasn't

1722
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:09,920
blown the whistle on it

1723
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:12,319
he's just drawn attention to that's true

1724
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,359
you know that

1725
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,200
he's not a whistleblower in the straight

1726
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:16,960
sense of the word so

1727
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,960
as far as yeah otherwise you would say

1728
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:21,200
yeah there's inner dimensionals here

1729
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,079
that's what i mean

1730
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,359
yeah he's not like he's not like an

1731
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,200
edward snowden kind of thing is he uh

1732
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,720
he's not releasing loads of documents

1733
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,160
and all the rest of it

1734
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,799
yeah so he's walking the line he's

1735
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:32,559
walking a very very

1736
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:36,160
kind of very narrow line um so yeah

1737
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:39,119
um good luck to him actually graham i

1738
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,000
think uh max

1739
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,880
has his interview uh coming out very

1740
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,520
shortly with

1741
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,760
uh harry reid so why don't we just leave

1742
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:47,200
it there and live yeah that's a great

1743
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,400
idea or whatever yeah

1744
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,400
i'll be interested to see it myself yeah

1745
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,000
i mean max always go

1746
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,799
will there be new bombshells i'm like i

1747
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,599
don't know max williams

1748
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:00,799
i hope so i'm i'm doing amazon hopefully

1749
00:59:04,230 --> 00:59:02,480
later this year if the cover will allow

1750
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:04,240
so i'm going to try and get a break

1751
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,599
across there so i might be able to

1752
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,880
hopefully i might be able to meet up

1753
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:07,920
with him so

1754
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:09,200
you know that would be great it'd be

1755
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:10,960
great to meet some of you guys in real

1756
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,079
life

1757
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,839
yeah i'd like that sometime actually

1758
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,839
yeah i'm really looking for the day when

1759
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:16,960
i can start like

1760
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:19,680
seeing people in in real life yeah yeah

1761
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:20,319
me too

1762
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:22,720
all right great sean always a pleasure

1763
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:23,440
we'll see you

1764
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:26,480
next week probably or soon so whatever

1765
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,630
all right guys that about does it for me

1766
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:33,839
today um

1767
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,559
we had two streams first one with chris

1768
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:37,359
got cut off

1769
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,440
uh we had some uh internet issues there

1770
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,760
and then i had a bit of a bit of a

1771
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:45,119
monologue

1772
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:47,839
um so hopefully that was okay and then

1773
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:49,359
uh we had grammar and dome

1774
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:52,480
thanks rafe i appreciate you coming by

1775
00:59:55,990 --> 00:59:55,440
um stop by again i'm gonna go look into

1776
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:56,000
that uh

1777
01:00:03,430 --> 00:59:59,200
sheehan interview i saw you post that

1778
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,440
um so yeah i'll be back tomorrow

1779
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:05,440
we'll see what happens overnight and

1780
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,200
what i can talk about

1781
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,200
um you know if it's busy and i gotta

1782
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,599
guess we get about an hour or more

1783
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:14,000
if it's slow and it's just me well you

1784
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,960
know maybe 15

1785
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,599
20 minutes or something uh but

1786
01:00:19,829 --> 01:00:19,200
regardless you guys have a great rest of

1787
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:19,839
the day